Enyo Perseus (![[info]](http://p-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} enyo) wrote,@ 2004-03-13 18:59:00 |
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Reply to Fran that couldn't get posted to the list
Now, damn it, Fran, you just couldn't leave me alone, could you. Now you have to run around to other groups trashing me behind my back. Not, of course, that it's a shock, because you've *never* had the balls to accuse me of hacking your site to my face.
This would have been posted to said Yahoogroup, but that whole thread has been deleted and I can't post there anymore. I suspect that Fran can't either, since she's the one who started all of this crap again.
Italicized text is quoted from Fran.
--- In Witchcraft_And_Magic@yahoogroups.com, "Fran Wolfe-Johnson" tygermoonfoxx@convergingpaths.com wrote:
I cannot; down at the bottom of the site, you'll see that the site design and content were written by one "Enyo Perseus".
Um, no. Content is by Out of the Dark, Inc. Web design is by Enyo Perseus. Betsy et al provide content. I code it.
She used to be my best friend,
How could you even say that? Fran, you called me trailer trash behind my back. You accused me of abusing my child behind my back, and called me unfit because I posted to a mailing list filled with my friends about problems that I'd had with my child. You called me a slut and a whore, you said that I was out to steal your husband, you said that I can't hold a job. All of these things were done behind my back.
And then there's your accusations that you made against me, even when I stood by you. Again, you made them behind my back on your Pagan Portals mailing list, which you violated your own rules with when you unsubbed me. You posted this right after you unsubbed me, making sure I wouldn't see it and be able to defend myself. Do you know how many people thought that was true from that list because I didn't defend myself and they didn't know that I'd been secretly tossed?
and she's the reason I'll likely end up on this so-called "wall of shame".
Betsy says not. You haven't been convicted of anything.
She won't mention the pertinent facts I've stated here already (such as the fact that my site was hacked under her username using commands she'd just bragged about learning earlier
Prove it, Fran. I've never learned grep or anything else. I'm not a Unix girl, though I use a unix program to read my email.
or that the web host instead of freezing the account and investigating summarily destroyed all the evidence before giving me notification that my account was deleted and declaring to the group that set this "problematic Pagans" site up that I had done the damage myself and was now lying about it.
I have those emails. I don't tell half truths, Fran. I tell the truth. And that's it. Being involved with you taught me to not keep my mouth shut and stand up for someone, even when I have doubts.
She won't mention that they periodically visit my current web site and leave threatening or rude accusations, calling me a liar and a coward.
That's a lie. Well, that you're a liar and a coward isn't, but that I post in your guestbook is.
I'll be the first to admit I was a coward. When they started threatening to sue my husband and I both for damaged, I cut and ran.
You should have been sued. You went to great lengths to defame both me and Drak.net. I see that, a year and a half later, you haven't stopped. *Is* taking you to court going to be the only way to stop it? The crap that you spread about me could have cost my husband his job.
I unsubscribed from any possible lists the leaders of the group might be on, I banned them from my LiveJournal, and I took the site down and redesigned it.
You didn't just take the site down and redesign it. Gwynn, who made your graphics for you, revoked his permission for you to use his work because of that fiasco. He didn't want to be associated with you, largely because of what you did to me.
I refused to answer any more of their allegations because I knew that nothing I said would make the difference; I'd already been judged guilty.
You *lied* about me, Fran. You're still lying about me.
We all make mistakes, but I'm honest about mine. I've made some whoppers.
You're not terribly honest, Fran, because you're still accusing me of hacking your website, when I didn't have internet access because I was at my parents' house for a visit.
I got accused of all kinds of things because of my association with you. One of them was that I ran off to Florida to help you cover up your lies.
I eventually grew out of these behaviors; most people do. I like to think I've become a balanced individual capable of intelligent exchange of information.
How have you grown out of anything, Fran? You're still lying about me.
None of these make me a threat to the pagan community or a "problematic pagan". They make me human.
You just go assuming that you'd be listed? Paranoid, much?
I guess what I'm saying is, if I'm typical...anyone could become a target. That, in my opinion, defeats the purpose of protecting the pagan community.
I still believe that the community needs protecting from you. I'm not going to say any more on this, because I don't think it's a valid topic for the list. But you brought it up....
You all HAVE reassured me, however, that this behavior isn't typical of the pagan community at large.
Start lying about them behind their backs like you did me. Start accusing them of criminal wrong-doing like you did me. Do you still think that these people would support you? As it is, they're supporting you with only half of the story. BTW, for the full story, check out Tired of the Lies. You'll see Jen from Drak.net posting flat out that I couldn't have possibly done what Fran accuses.
Enyo Perseus
WarGoddess.net
Now, damn it, Fran, you just couldn't leave me alone, could you. Now you have to run around to other groups trashing me behind my back. Not, of course, that it's a shock, because you've *never* had the balls to accuse me of hacking your site to my face.
This would have been posted to said Yahoogroup, but that whole thread has been deleted and I can't post there anymore. I suspect that Fran can't either, since she's the one who started all of this crap again.
Italicized text is quoted from Fran.
--- In Witchcraft_And_Magic@yahoogroups.com, "Fran Wolfe-Johnson" tygermoonfoxx@convergingpaths.com wrote:
I cannot; down at the bottom of the site, you'll see that the site design and content were written by one "Enyo Perseus".
Um, no. Content is by Out of the Dark, Inc. Web design is by Enyo Perseus. Betsy et al provide content. I code it.
She used to be my best friend,
How could you even say that? Fran, you called me trailer trash behind my back. You accused me of abusing my child behind my back, and called me unfit because I posted to a mailing list filled with my friends about problems that I'd had with my child. You called me a slut and a whore, you said that I was out to steal your husband, you said that I can't hold a job. All of these things were done behind my back.
And then there's your accusations that you made against me, even when I stood by you. Again, you made them behind my back on your Pagan Portals mailing list, which you violated your own rules with when you unsubbed me. You posted this right after you unsubbed me, making sure I wouldn't see it and be able to defend myself. Do you know how many people thought that was true from that list because I didn't defend myself and they didn't know that I'd been secretly tossed?
and she's the reason I'll likely end up on this so-called "wall of shame".
Betsy says not. You haven't been convicted of anything.
She won't mention the pertinent facts I've stated here already (such as the fact that my site was hacked under her username using commands she'd just bragged about learning earlier
Prove it, Fran. I've never learned grep or anything else. I'm not a Unix girl, though I use a unix program to read my email.
or that the web host instead of freezing the account and investigating summarily destroyed all the evidence before giving me notification that my account was deleted and declaring to the group that set this "problematic Pagans" site up that I had done the damage myself and was now lying about it.
I have those emails. I don't tell half truths, Fran. I tell the truth. And that's it. Being involved with you taught me to not keep my mouth shut and stand up for someone, even when I have doubts.
She won't mention that they periodically visit my current web site and leave threatening or rude accusations, calling me a liar and a coward.
That's a lie. Well, that you're a liar and a coward isn't, but that I post in your guestbook is.
I'll be the first to admit I was a coward. When they started threatening to sue my husband and I both for damaged, I cut and ran.
You should have been sued. You went to great lengths to defame both me and Drak.net. I see that, a year and a half later, you haven't stopped. *Is* taking you to court going to be the only way to stop it? The crap that you spread about me could have cost my husband his job.
I unsubscribed from any possible lists the leaders of the group might be on, I banned them from my LiveJournal, and I took the site down and redesigned it.
You didn't just take the site down and redesign it. Gwynn, who made your graphics for you, revoked his permission for you to use his work because of that fiasco. He didn't want to be associated with you, largely because of what you did to me.
I refused to answer any more of their allegations because I knew that nothing I said would make the difference; I'd already been judged guilty.
You *lied* about me, Fran. You're still lying about me.
We all make mistakes, but I'm honest about mine. I've made some whoppers.
You're not terribly honest, Fran, because you're still accusing me of hacking your website, when I didn't have internet access because I was at my parents' house for a visit.
I got accused of all kinds of things because of my association with you. One of them was that I ran off to Florida to help you cover up your lies.
I eventually grew out of these behaviors; most people do. I like to think I've become a balanced individual capable of intelligent exchange of information.
How have you grown out of anything, Fran? You're still lying about me.
None of these make me a threat to the pagan community or a "problematic pagan". They make me human.
You just go assuming that you'd be listed? Paranoid, much?
I guess what I'm saying is, if I'm typical...anyone could become a target. That, in my opinion, defeats the purpose of protecting the pagan community.
I still believe that the community needs protecting from you. I'm not going to say any more on this, because I don't think it's a valid topic for the list. But you brought it up....
You all HAVE reassured me, however, that this behavior isn't typical of the pagan community at large.
Start lying about them behind their backs like you did me. Start accusing them of criminal wrong-doing like you did me. Do you still think that these people would support you? As it is, they're supporting you with only half of the story. BTW, for the full story, check out Tired of the Lies. You'll see Jen from Drak.net posting flat out that I couldn't have possibly done what Fran accuses.
Enyo Perseus
WarGoddess.net
